Why Beer League Teams Implode

In this episode of The Beer Leaguer Podcast, we’re breaking down seven of the most common reasons beer league hockey teams fall apart—and surprisingly few of them have much to do with what happens on the ice.

We talk about what happens when one person becomes responsible for registration, jerseys, money, scheduling and every other job nobody notices until that person stops doing it. We also talk about the dreaded attendance death spiral, why both tiny rosters and gigantic rosters can create.

The biggest theme running through all seven? Communication. Most of these problems aren’t unavoidable disasters. Teams can usually see them coming—but only if players are willing to talk about them before a minor annoyance turns into the reason half the roster leaves.

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Year

one

is

the

honeymoon

phase.

Everyone

just

hangs

out

after

games.

No

one

cares

about

wins

and

losses.

It's

just

about

having

fun.

Year

two,

some

people

change

their

jobs.

Maybe

people

have

to

miss

games

because

their

kids

have

things

going

on

all

of

a

sudden.

Someone

gets

hurt.

And

well,

the

kind

of

quiet

guy

from

the

first

year,

he

starts

to

turn

into

the

kind

of

weird

kind

of

quiet

guy

that

no

one

talks

to.

Somewhere

then

in

between

years

three

and

four,

the

team

hits

that

fork

in

the

road.

Are

you

staying

together

for

the

next

10

years

as

a

group?

Or

are

you

going

to

be

relying

on

reserve

players

to

finish

out

the

season?

Over

the

years,

I've

seen

many

beer

league

teams

come

and

go,

including

my

own,

reform

into

new

teams,

split.

All

kinds

of

stuff

happens.

But

why?

Why

does

that

happen?

In

this

episode

of

the

Beer

League

podcast,

we're

going

to

talk

about

the

seven

most

common

ways

I've

seen

beer

league

teams

fall

apart.

Number

one,

captain

burnout.

I've

talked

about

it

in

other

videos

about

being

captain,

the

good

parts,

the

tough

parts

about

it.

And

this

doesn't

necessarily

have

to

be

the

actual

person

that

wears

the

C

on

their

jerseys.

This

is

just

you

have

somebody

that's

doing

too

much,

somebody

that's

kind

of

doing

everything

for

the

team,

and

they

get

burned

out

with

it.

I

mean,

it's

barely

supposed

to

be

fun.

It's

something

to

do,

you

know,

in

your

off

time

away

from

work.

And

some

people,

it

starts

becoming

a

job

and

it

stops

being

fun.

And

if

you

have

one

person

that's

kind

of

carrying

the

load

for

your

whole

team,

you

know,

registering

your

team,

getting

jerseys,

all

the

different

stuff

that

needs

to

go

on

for

a

season.

Uh

finances,

that's

always

a

big

deal.

If

you

have

one

person

that's

handling

all

that

and

they

get

burned

out

from

it,

so

they

stop,

well,

then

the

team

kind

of

falls

apart

around

— #1: Captain burnout

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that.

So

that

is

something

to

definitely

look

out

for.

Um,

this

is

one

of

those

things

that

you

can

totally

prevent.

Uh,

usually

the

people,

if

you

have

someone

that

is

doing

everything,

they

might

not

feel

like

they

can

delegate

stuff

to

other

people.

So

this

is

a

time

for

the

rest

of

the

team

to

be

like,

hey,

we

don't

want

you

to

get

burned

out

doing

this.

What

can

we

do

to

help

out?

And

hopefully

that

can

help

prevent

this

from

happening.

But

that

that

is

definitely

something

that

I

see

happen,

and

it

happens

kind

of

a

lot

uh

with

all

different

levels

of

beer

league

teams,

too,

and

not

just

new

ones,

but

older

ones

as

well.

Uh,

because

you

never

know

when

that's

gonna

happen.

But

it

tends

to

happen

to

people

if

you

have

one

person

running

everything.

So

something

to

be

aware

of,

something

to

watch

out

for,

and

something

that

I

think

is

pretty

preventable

from

happening.

Number

two,

this

is

— #2: The attendance death spiral

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the

other

the

other

big

one

that

I

see

a

lot

of

times,

and

I'm

gonna

call

this

the

attendance

death

spiral.

So,

what

a

lot

of

teams

wind

up

getting

into

this

weird

situation

of

that

they

don't

know

how

to

handle,

and

this

is

especially

for

newer

teams,

uh,

because

this

tends

to

kind

of

work

itself

out

over

time,

but

especially

newer

teams,

either

the

it's

all

newer

players

or

the

team

itself

is

like

a

new

collection

of

people.

Finding

a

proper

roster

size

and

how

to

management.

Some

teams

want

to

have

a

roster

that's

just

like

11

skaters.

You

know,

they

everybody's

gonna

show

up

for

every

game.

Maybe

one

person

misses,

that's

it.

They

want

11

skaters,

so

that

way

it's

never

too

many

people

for

one

game.

Uh,

everybody

might

have

to

pay

a

little

bit

more

if

you're

doing

a

like

team

fee

instead

of

individual

fees

for

it,

but

that's

fine

because

they

just

want

to

get

the

ice

time.

So

people

are

okay

with

that.

What

can

happen

there

though

is

if

you

have,

you

know,

two

or

three

people

are

on

vacation

at

the

same

time,

or

what

I

see

happen

a

lot

is

people

tend

to

uh

in

beer

leagues

play

with

people

that

they

know

from

other

hockey-related

things.

So

you'll

have

like

a

kid's

travel

tournament

for

a

certain

weekend,

and

all

of

a

sudden

this

team

doesn't

have

four

people

because

they're

away

at

the

travel

tournament.

And

if

you

only

have,

say,

11

skaters

and

four

of

them

are

gone,

well,

now

you're

down

to

seven

skaters

for

a

game.

And

if

this

is

something

that

happens

regularly,

it

can

cause

problems.

On

the

opposite

end

of

that,

you

have

people

that

say,

hey,

get

as

many

people

rostered

as

possible,

make

it

as

cheap

as

possible

for

everybody.

We

don't

care

if

there's

extra

skaters

out

there.

And

then

you

wind

up

with

20

skaters

showing

up

for

a

game.

So

then

people

are

getting

one,

maybe

two

shifts

a

period,

which

isn't

fun

either.

So

it's

really

finding

that

balance

between

not

just

what

your

team

wants,

but

what

your

team

realistically

does.

You

know,

if

you

have

a

bunch

of

people

that

miss

a

lot

of

time

regularly,

you

might

want

to

have

a

larger

roster.

If

you

have

most

of

your

people

show

up

to

every

game,

you

can

probably

go

with

a

smaller

roster.

So

it's

finding

that

sweet

spot

in

there

of

what

people

want,

how

much

you

know

you

kind

of

want

to

pay

for

a

season.

Again,

if

you're

doing

like

a

team,

a

team

fee,

and

how

many

skaters

for

a

game

is

a

good

amount

versus

too

many

versus

how

many

games

is

that?

You

know,

maybe

it's

a

trade-off

of

we

do

we

have

a

lot

of

skaters

rostered,

but

most

games

we

still

only

have

10

people

show

up.

But

hey,

twice

a

year

we're

probably

gonna

have

17

or

18,

and

you

just

kind

of

deal

with

it

versus

the

other

way

of

we're

gonna

have

a

very

small

roster.

Most

games,

you

know,

we

only

have

10

or

11

skaters

show

up,

but

a

couple

weeks

we

might

have

six.

So

it's

finding

that

balance,

which

is

different

for

every

team

because

this

is

very

much

a

personal

preference

thing,

but

finding

that

and

finding

that

sweet

spot.

And

really

the

only

way

to

find

that

is

to

talk

to

people.

Your

team

needs

to

kind

of

know

where

everybody's

at.

Um,

after

a

year

or

two

of

being

around,

you

probably

know

what

kind

of

availability

people

have

and

keeping

an

open

dialogue

about

that

type

of

availability

for

it.

We

can

also

have

things

like

reserve

players

and

sub

players

come

in

and

help

out.

But

again,

that

can

fall

into

weird

stuff

because

maybe

some

people,

you

know,

don't

want

to

sub

as

much

or

want

to

sub

a

lot,

or

they

won't

sub

if

they

can't

make,

you

know,

can't

play

in

half

the

games

or

something

like

that.

So

it's

really

this

is

something

that

is

preventable,

but

you

have

to

talk

about

it.

And

most

people

tend

to

not

think

about

this

until

it

causes

problems.

So

this

is

something

that

is

very,

very

much

preventable,

but

it

needs

to

be

discussed

with

everyone

on

the

team.

And

then

when

people

come

into

the

team,

let

them

know

kind

of

how

it

works

and

what's

going

on

and

what

the

situation

is,

so

no

one's

taken

— #3: The problem player

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6:44

by

surprise.

Number

three,

the

problem

player.

All

right,

this

is

kind

of

not

kind

of,

this

is

definitely

the

trickiest

one

of

these.

You

have

different

types

of

problem

players

out

there.

And

generally,

most

kind

of

issues

people

have

playing

in

Beer

League

is

a

lot

of

stuff

gets

left

on

the

ice.

It's

fine,

not

a

big

deal.

But

you

do

have

the

people

out

there

that

can

kind

of

ruin

the

fun

for

everybody.

So

you

have

the

tryhards,

you

know,

the

people

that

think

every

game

is

game

seven

of

the

Stanley

Cup,

even

though

they're

playing

at

11

o'clock

at

night

with

a

bunch

of

people

over

50.

You

know,

that's

that's

not

fun.

Uh,

the

people

that

are

they

are

always,

you

know,

bitching

to

the

refs,

bitching

to

their

teammates,

bitching

to

the

other

team

about

everything.

Every

little

thing.

You

know,

why

wasn't

this

a

penalty?

Why

was

this

a

penalty?

That

should

have

been

a

shot.

Why

didn't

you

call

icing

on

this?

Every

single

little

thing

is

a

huge

problem,

and

they're

making

it

everybody

else's

problem.

Not

fun

for

people.

Then

you

have

some

people

out

there

that

just

they're

dangerous

out

there.

You

have

people

that

are

either

playing

way

out

of

their

depths

and

should

not

be

playing

the

level

of

hockey

that

they're

playing

at,

or

people

that

what

is

the

nice

way

to

put

this?

Uh

regularly.

Let

me

think

of

the

of

the

nice

way

to

put

this.

You

have

people

that

regularly

show

up

in

a

state

of

mind

where

they

are

not

able

to

properly

keep

themselves

and

the

others

on

the

ice

as

safe

as

they

should

be

playing

hockey.

All

these

very,

very

different

things,

very,

very

different

situations,

all

need

to

be

handled

very,

very

differently.

But

they're

all

issues.

All

of

these

things

are

things

that

can

start

off

very

small

and

then

blow

up

and

really

divide

a

team

and

make

teams

fall

apart

and

split

apart

from

this

type

of

thing.

So

this

is

something

that

I

think

everybody

kind

of

needs

to

be

aware

of

that

can

happen

on

a

team

and

watch

out

for.

And

if

you

see

stuff

like

this,

say

something

to

people.

Don't

let

people

get

away

with

this

kind

of

stuff

early

on,

thinking

it's

going

to

go

away.

These

are

the

type

of

things

that

compound

as

time

goes

on.

And

so,

again,

this

is

something

where

people

need

to

talk.

And

this

doesn't

have

to

be

a

huge

team

discussion.

This

can

be

someone

just

pulling

a

person

aside,

you

know,

before

or

after

a

game,

and

maybe

during,

but

I

would

recommend

before

or

after

a

game

and

saying

something.

You

know,

this

is

a

good

time

if

you

know

you

can

talk

to

somebody

in

the

parking

lot,

either

as

they're

leaving

or

as

you're

hanging

out

in

the

parking

lot

with

the

team,

and

say

something

about

this

and

bring

it

up

to

people

so

they

know.

You

know,

some

people

just

they

they

don't

realize

how

uh

how

aggressive

or

how

different

they

can

be

on

the

ice

versus

off

the

ice.

And

they

just

kind

of

need

to

be

pointed

out

to

them

with

it.

Uh,

but

this

is

one

of

those

things

that

if

you

see

a

a

little

a

little

bit

of

it

somewhere,

remember

that

and

notice

it

and

do

what

you

can

to

prevent

it

from

getting

bigger.

With

players

like

this,

one

player

can

really

blow

up

a

team

uh

pretty

easily

uh

with

doing

some

stupid

stuff.

Like

I

said,

this

is

definitely

one

of

the

trickier

things

on

how

to

handle

it

because

it's

dealing

with

people

and

whatever

else

is

going

on

with

them.

And

usually

this

is

stuff

that

has

nothing

to

do

with

hockey

going

on

that

is

bleeding

over

into

hockey.

So

tread

lightly

on

it,

be

careful

with

it,

but

this

is

something

that

definitely

should

get

addressed

at

some

point

before

it

becomes

a

big

problem.

And

also,

this

is

not

something

that

needs

to

be

left

to

a

person

that's

the

captain

or

even

somebody

that

wears

an

A

on

their

jersey

to

handle.

This

is

not

necessarily

something

for

that

person

to

have

to

handle.

Uh

just

putting

that

out

there

that

a

lot

of

times

people

kind

of

fall

onto

this

idea

that

uh

just

because

someone's

the

captain

that

they

need

to

handle

all

this

stuff,

even

though

they

might

not

be

the

most

well-equipped

person

to

handle

these

types

of

situations.

So

don't

just

think

that

they'll

handle

it

or

that

they

should.

You

know,

find

somebody

on

the

team

that

you

can

talk

to

to

tell

them

about

this.

You

know,

talk

to

other

people

on

the

team

about

this.

I'm

sure

other

people

notice

the

same

kind

of

things,

and

figure

out

who

the

best

person

to

talk

to

this

person

is

about

whatever

it

is.

I

mean,

maybe

this

is

someone

that

you

can

bring

it

up

in

the

locker

room

and

kind

of

put

it

out

there,

or

maybe

it's

not.

But

like

I

said,

one

of

the

trickiest

things,

probably

the

hardest

thing

to

deal

with

on

a

hockey

team,

especially

if

you're

trying

to

keep

a

team

from

falling

apart,

is

if

you

have

a

problem

player.

But

it

is

really

a

very

important

thing

to

keep

in

mind

if

you

do

want

to

keep

her

team

together

for

a

decent

amount

of

time.

Just

going

to

take

a

quick

break

here

in

the

middle

of

this

episode.

Thank

you

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well.

Go

check

it

out.

Thanks

a

lot.

Or

uh,

this

is

something

I

see

happen

a

lot

with

beginner

teams

as

they

kind

of

grow

up

a

couple

years

in,

is

just

kind

of

the

skill

split

on

teams

really

starts

to

get

a

big

gap

in

there.

Uh,

so

what

you

end

up

happening

is

either

better

players

come

in,

you

know,

people

recruit

friends

or

just

other

people

that

they

find

to

try

and

help

their

team

out.

And

those

better

players

start

playing

together,

like

playing

together,

don't

necessarily

like

playing

with

some

of

the

not

as

skilled

players

on

the

team

and

want

to,

you

know,

split

the

team

up,

uh,

which

sometimes

can

lead

to

just

two

teams

totally

coming

out

of

that,

no

problem.

Sometimes

it

can

lead

to

one

team

basically

dropping

a

couple

players

and

moving

up

or

down.

And

then

you

have

some

players

that

are

just

kind

of

left

out

in

the

lurch

uh

for

it.

Uh,

you

can

also

have

this

with,

like

I

said,

beginner

teams

where

you

have

a

lot

of

like

players

that

have

different

backgrounds.

So

you'll

have

people

that

maybe

played

hockey

in

high

school

but

haven't

played

in

10,

15,

20

years.

And

after

a

year

or

two

of

playing

somewhat

regularly,

they're

kind

of

getting

back

in

shape

and

getting

back

in

the

swing

of

things,

and

their

kind

of

skill

level

is

going

up

and

up

and

up

and

up.

Whereas

these

other

players

that,

you

know,

maybe

their

first

game

was

their

first

time

on

the

ice,

their

skill

level

is

still

super

low

and

very

slowly

creeping

up

or

almost

leveling

off.

And

again,

there's

a

big

can

be

a

big

split

there

with

players.

Some

players

start

playing,

and

by

year

two,

they

are

showing

up

to

you

know

practices

and

skill

clinics,

and

they're

going

to

open

ice

and

all

kinds

of

different

things

to

try

and

get

better

and

better

and

better.

And

other

players

are

very

happy

just

once

a

week

playing.

That's

it.

They're

out

there

for

a

skate,

really

nothing

more.

All

these

things,

none

of

them

right

or

wrong.

It's

just

a

thing

that

happens.

And

like

I

said,

especially

with

a

lot

of

beginner

teams,

it

tends

to

happen

after

a

couple

years.

And

that

skill

gap

can

make

the

better

players

really

resent

playing

with

the

not

as

good

players

and

want

to

move

up.

And

it

can

also

make

the

players

that

aren't

as

good

not

have

as

much

fun

because

maybe

they're

not

touching

the

puck

as

much

because

the

better

players

always

have

it.

And

so

they

want

to

either

stay

where

they're

at

or

move

down

or

get

rid

of

those

other

players.

And

this

is

one

of

those

things,

again,

reiterate

through

a

lot

of

this

stuff,

talking

to

the

team

and

figuring

stuff

out.

Uh,

the

worst

thing

that

you

can

do

with

this,

and

this

is

what

you

want

to

avoid,

if

a

team

splits

because

the

good

players

want

to

go

play

up

higher,

or

the

the

less

good

players

want

to,

you

know,

play

lower

or

stay

where

they're

at

or

something

like

that.

The

worst

thing

to

do

in

that

situation

is

basically

screw

over

a

couple

handful

of

players

by

not

giving

them

ample

time

to

find

another

team

and

going,

hey,

yeah,

I

know

the

season

starts

uh

in

you

know

a

week.

We're

gonna,

you

know,

the

team's

moving

up,

we're

dropping

you

four

guys.

That's

something

unfortunate

I

see

happen

every

couple

of

years.

And

those

couple

players

are

then

left

scrambling.

I'm

like,

well,

I

want

to

play,

but

now

I

got

to

find

a

team.

But

almost

everybody

probably

has

their

rosters

filled,

so

I

don't

know

where

I

can

play.

I

mean,

the

opposite

can

be

true

too,

where

they

drop

a

couple

of

the

better

players,

or

you

know,

maybe

the

league

says,

hey,

these

two

guys

way

too

good,

can't

play,

and

then

they're

left

without

a

team.

So

that's

what

you

want

to

avoid.

Uh

the

team

splitting

because

of

skill

level,

it

happens.

Uh,

you

know,

not

necessarily

a

good

or

bad

thing,

but

leaving

people

in

in

a

lurch

without

having

a

team

because

this

is

all

done

last

minute.

Uh,

that

sucks.

That

sucks

for

everybody.

So

that's

what

you

want

to

try

and

avoid

with

this,

is

not

having

that

happen.

If

this

thing

that

happens

over

the

course

of

a

year,

you

realize

this

is

happening,

and

you

go,

hey,

well,

next

year

this

is

what

we're

gonna

do.

We're

gonna

split

the

team,

or

these

couple

players

are

gonna

be

looking

for

a

new

team.

That's

something

you

can

work

out.

So

that's

where

you

want

to

be,

not

the

people

that

leave

somebody

screwed

and

can't

find

a

place

to

play.

— #5: Life gets in the way

The Beer Leaguer
16:46

Number

five,

just

life.

I

mean,

you

guys

heard

me

talk

about

this

in

my

one

of

my

10

things

videos.

You

know,

you

have

1030

games,

can

wreck

people's

sleep

really

bad,

so

people

can't

handle

that.

Um,

league

fees,

you

know,

playing

hockey

is

not

cheap.

So

that

extra

expense

can

put

a

lot

of

stress

on

people

or

on

families

for

things.

Uh,

you

know,

you

have

some

guys

that

have

no

care

about

leaving

their

hockey

gear

to

either

sit

and

ferment

in

the

back

of

their

car

that

their

whole

family

uses

and

everyone

hates

it,

or

people

that

just

lay

their

gear

out,

you

know,

in

like

the

living

room

for

a

night

because

they

have

no

place

else

to

put

it

and

people

get

pissed

about

it.

Uh

having

people

that

maybe

did

no

kind

of

activity

before

all

of

a

sudden

jump

in

and

try

and

play

hockey

and

go

a

little

too

much

and

just

constantly

getting

hurt,

all

this

kind

of

stuff.

All

this

kind

of

stuff

can

add

up

to

having

people

just

quit

and

leave

and

not

show

up

to

games

anymore.

And

this

is,

you

know,

this

is

the

kind

of

thing

you

have

to

watch

out

for

throughout

the

season

if

you

have

people

that

are

slowly

dropping

off

in

their

attendance

uh

because

of

this

kind

of

stuff

and

find

out

what's

going

on.

You

know,

it

could

be

a

super

simple

thing

as

hey,

the

next

couple

weeks

is

super

busy

at

work

and

I'm

not

gonna

be

able

to

make

any

games

that

start

after

9.30

uh

for

a

little

while.

Or

something,

you

know,

my

kid

just

picked

up

some

sport.

So

if

we

have

games

on

Tuesdays

and

Thursdays,

I

won't

be

there.

Stuff

like

that,

that

can

happen,

and

that's

like

a

temporary

thing.

But

it

might

also

be

just

all

this

stuff

kind

of

compounding

with

someone,

or

like

I

said

in

the

other

video,

compounding

with

them

and

maybe

whoever

they're

living

with,

causing

them

to

not

be

able

to

play.

So

finding

out

what

that

kind

of

stuff

is,

finding

out

if

this

is

a

permanent

thing

or

if

this

is

a

temporary

thing.

So

that

way

you

can

know

kind

of

going

forward

what

to

expect

of

this

person

and

what's

going

on.

Because

you

can

very

easily

wind

up

with

the

end

of

the

season,

four

or

five

players

that

are

kind

of

in

this

limbo

state,

and

and

you

don't

know,

like,

are

they

gonna

be

playing

full-time

next

year?

Can

they?

Are

they

not?

Are

they,

you

know,

would

they

want

to

play

part-time?

Are

they

only

gonna

be

able

to

make

like

four

or

five

games?

What's

going

on?

So

finding

out

the

reasons

for

this

stuff

really

goes

a

long

way

to

understanding

where

these

people

are

gonna

be.

And

and

just

as

a

quick

note,

generally

in

Beer

League,

nobody

warms

up

good.

You

should

warm

up

a

little

bit

more.

Trust

me,

that

extra

two

minutes

of

stretching,

of

actual

stretching,

will

probably

help

you

out.

And

you

know,

not

just

taking

four

slap

shots

as

soon

as

you

get

the

ice

and

then

saying

you're

good,

a

little

stretch

will

help

out

on

some

of

this

stuff.

So

number

six.

The

room

goes

quiet.

All

right,

I'm

really

just

gonna

refer

to

the

glue

guy

episode

that

I

did

a

little

while

ago.

I

think

that

explains

this

whole

situation

really

well.

Um

really

the

idea

of

this

is

just

the

bulk

of

your

team

is

just

shows

up,

puts

on

their

gear,

plays,

leaves,

that's

it.

Nothing

else.

And

then

you

wonder

why

your

team

fell

apart.

— #6: The room goes quiet and the “Glue Guy” episode

The Beer Leaguer
20:16

Yeah.
Go

go

check

out

that

episode,

All

About

the

Glue

Guy.

That

I

think

that

explains

it.

Alright,

number

seven.

— #7: Locker-room boundaries, cliques and team culture

The Beer Leaguer
20:24

This

is

probably

after

the

problem

player

issue,

the

trickiest

thing

to

navigate

on

a

team.

And

this

is

not

drawing

proper

lines

for

what

is

acceptable

in

the

locker

room.

Uh,

I

do

mention

this

in

a

previous

episode

where

I

talk

about

starting

a

team

and

this

being

something

you

should

really

discuss,

but

a

lot

of

teams

don't.

And

it

kind

of

comes

to

bite

them

later

on.

And

what

I'm

talking

about

here

is

not

lines

like

your

lineup,

but

what

things

are

okay

to

talk

about

and

not

okay

to

talk

about

in

like

a

team

context.

And

I

think

the

two

biggest

things

in

there

that

can

cause

division

among

people

and

cause

issues

is

shocking,

I

know,

politics,

and

also

I

don't

know

a

better

way

to

put

it

besides

the

level

of

kind

of

ribbing

that

players

give

each

other.

Now,

this

is

not

to

say

that

everybody

needs

to

be

on

the

same

page

of

all

this

stuff.

You

do

not

need

to

be.

But

if

everyone

is

everyone

is

on

the

same

page,

great,

talk

about

this

stuff.

I'm

sure

then

no

line

needs

to

be

long

drawn

on

certain

things.

But

it's

finding

out

the

level

of

comfort

in

the

room

with

the

players

that

are

there.

And

not

making

people

feel

super

uncomfortable

for

things,

whether

that

be

like

I

said,

politics

is

a

big

one

and

ribbing

is

a

big

one.

Uh

some

people

cannot

kind

of

take

a

joke.

And

not

in

a

bad

way.

Not

there's

people

that

get

super

pissed

about

it.

There's

some

people

that

you

can

joke

with

and

they

won't

say

anything

and

they

really

internalize

it

and

it

and

it's

not

good.

And

then

there's,

I'd

say

the

vast

majority

of

people

can

take

most

well-natured

uh

ribbing

about

their

play

and

stuff

like

that

without

a

big

deal.

But

it's

finding

where

those

lines

are

for

and

every

team's

different.

Finding

that

comfort

level

and

keeping

things

there,

not

letting

things

get

out

of

hand

and

not

letting

things

cross

the

line,

or

when

they

do

cross

the

line,

people

knowing,

like,

oh,

oh,

okay,

hey,

you

know,

either

sorry

I

said

that

or

didn't

mean

that,

or

walking

it

back

for

things.

But

finding

those

and

setting

those

lines

out

there

really

go

a

long

way

for

keeping

your

locker

room

a

nice

place,

keeping

people

friendly,

and

getting

teammates

to

not

hate

each

other.

That

I've

seen

that

happen

where

you'll

have

someone

bring

up

something

in

a

locker

room

like

that,

thinking

that

everyone's

gonna

be,

you

know,

have

a

good

laugh

with

it.

And

you

just

have

a

couple

people

that

just

go,

you

know

what,

I

can't

play

with

this

person

anymore.

Like

that,

that's

it.

I'm

done.

I

can't

play

with

this

person

because

of

this.

So

this

can

really

tear

apart

a

team

pretty

quickly.

So

setting

those

levels

with

stuff,

and

it

doesn't

have

to

be

something

necessarily

spoken

out.

Maybe

it

does,

depends

on

the

team.

But

getting

that

set

at

some

point

early

on,

establishing

that,

and

then

when

people

come

in,

making

sure

they

understand

that

stuff

really,

really

goes

a

long

way

to

again,

we

talk

about

it

all

the

time

on

all

these

different

shows,

setting

a

good

locker

room

culture,

which

keeps

your

team

from

falling

apart.

One

of

the

things

that

can

happen

when

you

have

people

that

have

very

differing

views

on

these

types

of

things,

is

you

can

very

easily

turn

your

team

into

a

group

of

small

clicks.

And

there's

almost

nothing

worse

in

the

locker

room

than

having

a

bunch

of

different

little

clicks

that

only

really

talk

and

interact

with

each

other

and

don't

like

cross-interact

on

the

team.

That

is

a

super

toxic

environment

that

just

kind

of

snowballs

itself

into

making

your

team

eventually

fall

apart.

So

set

those

lines,

Wrap-Up

The Beer Leaguer
24:13

guys.

So

there

you

go.

The

seven

most

common

ways

I

have

seen

beer

league

teams

fall

apart.

I

think

all

of

them

are

preventable.

Uh,

they're

all

ones

that

you

can

at

least

see

coming,

I

think,

and

try

and

take

steps

to

prevent

them

from

happening

or

hopefully

lessening

their

impact

for

you

and

your

team.

Almost

none

of

them

have

to

do

with

stuff

on

the

ice.

Maybe

I

should

say

a

lot

about

beer

league.

So

anyone

can

work

on

fixing

these

things.

Like

I

said,

this

is

not

something

that,

like

your

team

captain

or

the

person

that's

been

on

the

team

longest,

or

the

oldest

player

in

the

room,

or

anything

like

that,

has

to

be

the

one

to

deal

with.

This

is

something,

these

are

things

that

anybody

can

try

and

prevent

and

anybody

can

recognize

and

try

and

do

something

about.

So

I

would

love

to

hear

from

you.

Have

you

ever

been

on

a

team

that

has

fallen

apart

from

any

of

these

things,

or

maybe

something

different

that

caused

enough

issues

to

make

your

team

implode?

Love

to

hear

about

it.

Drop

me

a

note,

drop

a

comment

down

below,

or

head

on

over

to

thebeerleaguer.com

and

send

me

a

note

or

voicemail

from

there.

Thanks

a

lot

for

listening,

and

as

always,

catch

you

in

the

next

one.


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